that_guy_who_likes_trains Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I am getting back into Hornby Railways after a very long hiatus from the hobby and I recently picked up my first and favourite steam engine being the Flying Scotsman (R2261).It's a great model with very good detail, but I found out not too long ago that tender driven locos aren't very good and this Scotsman is infact tender driven.I found just the other day a Royal Duties Flying Scotsman (R3250) that is Limited Edition and only 500 of them were produced. Its in brand new condition (also loco driven and even more detailed than the one I have now).I'm thinking of buying it and possibly either selling the one I have now or keeping it as a "do whatever" Scotsman.What would anyone of you recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81F Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Welcom to the site. I'm afraid I might add to the dilema rather than offer a solution.! I recently bought a Railroad TTS Flying Scotsman with sound. Although it is likely to be less detailed than the onbes you mention it is loco driven although the sound only works with DCC This was my third Scotsman. The first I renamed Doncaster by buying a spare body for it from ebay whilethe other awaits a similar fate or a set of model master nameplates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyneside emu Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Tender drives can become an issue with the connections between the free wheeling chassis and the tender(having a problem with a 9F at the mo) I think overall if you look after them they are ok, one option is get a cheap loco driven railroad, swap bodies (as mentioned previously) sell off the freewheeling chassis and tender and it may help recover some of the original outlay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjb1961 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Hi Thomas ,,,,,The flying Scotsman is one of my favourites as well,but there are loads of versions made by HORNBY over the years and it can get a bit confusing when looking for the right one ,,,,if you want a more modern version may I suggest some of these ,,,,ROYAL DUTIES R3250 ,,I have this and she is superb ,,,WARTIME BLACK R3100 or R3080 ,,I have one of these and is also superb,,USA 1969 TOUR R2953,,,double tender with observation coach with lights ,NRM R2441 ,,NRM R3081 ,,NRM R3336 all three are super detail ,also the REDEDICATION R3443 ,and the LTD EDITION R3099 ,all the locos mentioned above are all super detail,,sprung buffers ,cab detail ,extra body detail etc and all are loco drive which is smooth and quiet and possibly all are dcc ready ,,,,I also have the tts version ,this is really a railroad version with a sound chip ,in fact she doesn't have sprung buffers but my railroad R2675 does ,,,anyway if you would like a nice detailed loco drive Scotsman take a look at some of these on eBay or google ,,,hope this helps ,,,,,mjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfox4475 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Just to add to the mix I find my tender drive Flying Scotmans which I have had for some years now is more reliable than the modern loco drive model. My loco drive model from the national collection with the german smoke deflecters. Has driven me mad. the smoke deflecter always fall off and wont glue back. the loco drive chassis were so badly fitted the chassis is now in my spares bin and have used the parts to keep my other loco drive A1's and A3's running. Yet my old scotmans tender drive goed on and runs smoothly all the time apart from the change of the traction tyres from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_winstanley Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 According to my records over the years Hornby have released 41 catalogued versions of FS and that's not counting Triang ones. I have collected 26 and am converting 19 of them to represent the main periods of change in her 94 year history. I'm not a rivet counter but many early models had glaringly obvious errors but in the past ten years due to improvements in manufacturing technology and the demands for more accurate models the quality now is amazing. According to pictures of the real 1984 Royal Duties loco the model R3250 has the wrong tender. Hornby used the tooling of a previous model - down to manufacturing economics I guess. They probably had their fingers crossed that no "clever person" would come along and spot it. One of the recent issues, NRMs R3503 (glossy finish) is a lovely model and mine runs perfectly. The R3508TTS due out later this year looks like it might be the R3443 but with DCC and TTS. Hornby aren't saying that it's new tooling. At the end of the day it does come down to economics. Imagine the cost involved to re-tool just for the sake of minor changes. I hope I'm not coming over as a know-it-all but FS has always been special to me since childhood - whilst I have done some "homework" I wouldn't be confident to have her as my specialised subject on Mastermind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Also consider the Flying Scotsman never carried smoke deflectors or double chimney in LNER Service, these were fitted in BR days, so if going an LNER/NE liveried Flying Scotsman with deflectors and double chimney you will need modern era coaching stock to run behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz48 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Hi Everybody, this is a very interesting post, if I can throw my three peneth in, the Scotsman is a fine engine in whatever form it takes!However , (there is always a however!)- tender driven locos are pants, in my opinion these are not proper models, more like toys really, they don't look right and don't pull right, the sight of the tender pushing up to the loco on start up drives me crazy, also the loco wheels can stop rotating for any number of reasons and it can take a lot of patience to get them going again, (this is often caused by handling the loco incorrectly at derailments by handlinglifting by the wheels and thereby compressing the connecting rod assemblies slightly and this is enough to cause the linkage to "stick", as I said this can take a lot of trial and error to correct.Sorry for the rant, but tender drives are a pet hate of mine! ALL the Best to you all! Best regards, Baz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz48 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Hi Everybody, this is a very interesting post, if I can throw my three peneth in, the Scotsman is a fine engine in whatever form it takes!However , (there is always a however!)- tender driven locos are pants, in my opinion these are not proper models, more like toys really, they don't look right and don't pull right, the sight of the tender pushing up to the loco on start up drives me crazy, also the loco wheels can stop rotating for any number of reasons and it can take a lot of patience to get them going again, (this is often caused by handling the loco incorrectly at derailments by handlinglifting by the wheels and thereby compressing the connecting rod assemblies slightly and this is enough to cause the linkage to "stick", as I said this can take a lot of trial and error to correct.Sorry for the rant, but tender drives are a pet hate of mine! ALL the Best to you all! Best regards, Baz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I dislike them immensely as well Baz. Couldn't wait to replace them with loco drive versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell_border Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Hi there, as with that_guy_who_likes_trains I'm getting back into the hobby after a very long time. I would really like to model the FS in LNER times (early 1940's), so no deflectors or double chimney, and streamlined non-corridor tender. Is there a Hornby model that corresponds to this? If not, what would be a good starting point? I'd really like something detailed, not Railroad, if possible.Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Take your pick at http://www.hornbyguide.com/search_item_results.asp and search for FS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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