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Bio: Railway modeller since 1952 (started with Hornby O gauge Clockwork), progressed to Tri-ang OO/HO in 1956 and still model in OO and O. Dabble a bit in 304mm to 1 foot, HO, TT, and OO9. Joined BR in 1964, retired from Network Rail 2006 and then did 6 years on NYMR. Still actively involved in Institution of Railway Operators and occasionally volunteer at the NRM.

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 It is a pity the 1937 blue set wasn't fitted with skirts like the 1939/1940 red set. You could cover up the discrepancy reasonably easily.


However I have modified the psudo LNER carriages Hornby once made using the GWR underframe by cutting off the battery boxes near the end of the truss and replacing them in the correct position with some I got from DC kits . https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=131_167&product_id=870    You could do the same with these.

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 It was a 2016 reprint. I paid £15. The chap who has the bookshop at Grosmont had a stall there, and he had a couple of copies left after I bought mine.

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 If by diesel headcodes you mean the four character display on the front of the locomotive (electric as well) , there is no really simple guide, and the information changed year by year and from region to region.

The numbers are published in Working Timetables. and other operating documents and are meant to be unique to each train in a given area (but see below) . However where trains are very frequent numbers may be re-used on the same day, but this is exceptional.

Taking each character in turn

First position, - numerals 1 ro 9 and 0 - indicates class of train. e. g.

1 - express passenger

2 - stopping passenger

3 - various, parcels, goods etc. travelling at higher speed

4 - Express feight train (later used for Freightliners)

5 - empty passenger / parcels train (was freight train in past and empty coaching stock was 3 instead)

6 , 7 , 8  9, various goods trains, depending on speed and braking power

0 - light engine


 This has changed a great deal over the years , at one time Class 9 was a unfitted mineral train with a maximum speed of 25 mph but nowadays it is a Ultra High Speed train capable of running in excess of 125 mph!


Second character - alphabetic letter - destination area or region

Trains travelling betrween different Regions

E - Eastern Region

M - London Midland Region

N - North Eastern Region

O - Southern Region

S - Scottish Region

V - Western Region

Within regions other letters used to indicate destination district or division , e.g. A - London.

These have also changed with time N disappeared when the Eastern and North Eastern regions merged, and then L was added when Anglia Region was formed.

Some special letters were used -

X - exceptional load, out of gauge load, Royal train,

Z - Special train not listed in yearly timetable.


Many 'on-track' machines carry X or Z codes especially if they cannot be relied upon to operate track circuits.


A breakdown train ran as 1Z99 going to attend to an accident and 2Z99 in the way back.


Final two numerals - Train identification number usually allocated consecutively starting with 01 at 00:01 and finishing at 23:59. Sometimes up trains are even numbers and down trains are odd numbers but sometimes the other way round. Also in early days the same code number was used for ALL trains making the same journey. See, I said it was complicated.


These numbers are still used in signalboxes to tell the signalmen which train is which, even though they don't appear on the train anymore.


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 Not a train, wagon or carriage this time but at the Gateshead Toy Fair I bought a book.  It was a book I used to get out of the local library in my childhood. "2750, Legend of a Locomotive" by H. C Webster. It tells the story  of "Papyrus" an LNER A3 Pacific. and descrbes in easy to read narrative of how engine drivers and firemen worked day to day. It is a 'novel' rather than a history but it is as they say " a canny tale". Great Nostalgia.

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 However engine-men frequently call what comes out of it  "exhaust". 

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 Sorry to add to the controversy but my Railway Dictionary (second edition) by Alan Jackson published 1992 says -


" Funnel

A less usual alternative to 'chimney' (of a loco) ; at one time used officially by GWR, see also Smokestack."


The Reverend W Awdry has to carry some of the blame because he uses the term in some of his stories.


Because the GWR used it, it gives me an excellent reason not to! Laughing

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There are very few external pipes on this one!  Laughing



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Ah!!   Memories!!  


Yes of course 7005, after which 50007 was probably named! 


("Note to Mr. Preview,   the numbers are nearly all the same , but not necessarily in the right order")

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 I don't know if the posts are still available but Postman Pratt, and myself (and others) exchanged email on this subject many years ago. 


To paraphrase the exchanges the class 92 electric locomotives had many class members with names of composers, other class members were named after writers etc. The full list is -

92001                                            Victor Hugo

92002                                            H.G.Wells

92003                                            Beethoven

92004                                            Jane Austen

92005                                            Mozart

92006                                            Louis Armand

92007                                            Schubert

92008                                            Jules Verne

92009                                            Elgar

92010                                            Molière

92011                                            Handel

92012                                            Thomas Hardy

92013                                            Puccini

92014                                            Emile Zola

92015                                            D H Lawrence

92016                                            Brahms

92017                                            Shakespeare

92018                                            Stendhal

92019                                            Wagner

92020                                            Milton

92021                                            Purcell

92022                                            Charles Dickens

92023                                            Ravel

92024                                            J S Bach

92025                                            Oscar Wilde

92026                                            Britten

92027                                            George Eliot

92028                                            Saint Saëns

92029                                            Dante

92030                                            De Falla

92032                                            César Franck

92033                                            Berlioz

92034                                            Kipling

92035                                            Mendelssohn

92036                                            Bertolt Brecht

92037                                            Sullivan

92038                                            Voltaire

92039                                            Johann Strauss

92040                                            Goethe

92041                                            Vaughan Williams

92042                                            Honegger

92043                                            Debussy

92044                                            Couperin

92045                                            Chaucer

92046                                            Sweelinck

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 I have only needed to put weight into kit built or scratch built rolling stock.


Some years ago I had new roof tiles put on my house and part of that included fitting new flashing round the chimney. The plumber who did the job had some of the roll of lead left over and as he said I had paid for it he left it with me. I find a piece 2 cm x 1 cm (2"x1") approx is more than adequate for a 4 wheeled wagon.  I stick it with UHU or Evostick to a concealed place. I have plenty of lead for as many wagon kits as I am likely to make.


I do not add weight to ready to run wagons.

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