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PlanesTV

33 posts

Agreed Ken with Vauxhall, Ford and Austin - I was there!

But Hornby Live Steam's reputation for unreliability and being difficult to control is unfair. They are VERY easy to control. We have 4 year olds doing it at our Roadshows.

If Hornby "recalled" all unused or "Run Once" locos, ostensively to check for safety, and returned them to the market with a new DVD, Instructions and maybe even the OO LIve Steam Club's new controller (it improves on Hornby's) then they wouldn't need to make any more - just test the market by recycling what is, effectively, new stock.

I'll bet you these "refreshed" locos would fetch a premium on ebay and worth paying, say, £50 to have done.

Covers costs, starts to repair an unfounded reputation and tests the market for new production.

Idea?

walkingthedog

16984 posts

I had a go on your layout at Ally Pally a few years ago PlanesTV, at least I think it was there. Very impressive. 

WTD ........... Nurse, the screens.

Well, I bought the Mallard starters set, and a loose Flying Scotsman, and joined the OO live steam club.

Those guys are super helpful and I hope to meet them soon in one of the evends they attend.

It's indeed more difficult to operate it, than a DCC locomotive.

But what did you expect this is live steam, and with some practice these run fine and are fun to opperate, I'm glad I bougt it.

There are even people who have proven you can run it on DCC, so that's also no excuse not to make them.

I do hope that Hornby will make an efford to those who believe in the system and produce a new model.

It would at least show that they care about the customers who they sold it to in the first place.

Of course, I know that it will hardly be, that Hornby ever will go that direction again, but one must keep hoping.Cool

 

gowest

745 posts

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Well, I bought the Mallard starters set, and a loose Flying Scotsman, and joined the OO live steam club.

Those guys are super helpful and I hope to meet them soon in one of the evends they attend.

It's indeed more difficult to operate it, than a DCC locomotive.

But what did you expect this is live steam, and with some practice these run fine and are fun to opperate, I'm glad I bougt it.

There are even people who have proven you can run it on DCC, so that's also no excuse not to make them.

I do hope that Hornby will make an efford to those who believe in the system and produce a new model.

It would at least show that they care about the customers who they sold it to in the first place.

Of course, I know that it will hardly be, that Hornby ever will go that direction again, but one must keep hoping.Cool

 When train sets came out years back it was a simple system basically an electric motor and a variabled resistor when this was updated to electronic controls it made no difference to the system each engine would run with ether control system but now the DCC controller needs the engine to have electric units wired inside with sound therefore unless the older engines have these changes they will no longer run on this new system and live steam if relaunched would not be the same as the old system but a completely different system and build Which might not be compatible or converte. But people will always find a fault with the live steam system and price is one I do not see Hornby putting money into live steam any time soon as they need to concentrate on turning the company around with a good base product that does sell well.

 

PlanesTV

33 posts

Gowest you say " I do not see Hornby putting money into live steam any time soon as they need to concentrate on turning the company around with a good base product that does sell well."

I agree with you completely

But if Hornby was a car manufacturer that had sold thousands of a perfectly good car that owners couldn't drive because of a simple set up problem and those cars now were mostly stuck in peoples garages hardly used they wouldn't need to put them back into production, just work up a trade in scheme, revise the set-up and re-release them into the market.

They might even make a lot of money doing it.

walkingthedog

16984 posts

Hornby aren’t a car manufacturer/retailer.  They like many toy companies from Lego to Toys R Us they are in not exactly in a position to spend hundreds of thousand of pounds restarting a product that has a niche market. I'm afraid there is little point in asking them to resurrect things from the past. Just be thankful they are still able, at the moment, to produce things for the future. 

WTD ........... Nurse, the screens.

GNR-Gordon-4

3035 posts

WTD, LEGO is a manufacturer and Toys "R" Us is retailer, but it won't be soon, as they are closing down for good, just like Maplin are. Soon there won't be any shops left in the UK! Laughing

 

GNR-Gordon-4

A Thomas & Friends OO, HO and OO-9 Model Railway Gauge's Collector Since 2005, an Eddie Stobart Spotter and Collector Since 2010 and an Airfix QUICK BUILD Collector Since 2017; Living in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom.

Fishmanoz

9398 posts

Given what’s been said on here, there seems there should be a market for a refurbishment service and operator training to get the existing models out of the engine shed?

and thanks for all the fish

walkingthedog

16984 posts

Yes Jacob I am aware of that which is why I said what I said. Almost all companies with connections to the toy trade are in trouble. I think perhaps Hornby will be able to afford to resurrect older products in the future but at present are really struggling just to keep their heads above water. Take a look at their share price. 

WTD ........... Nurse, the screens.

Live steam didn't fall because of it's reputation for being difficult to control.  It was a premium product squarely aimed at those with disposable cash in a marketplace that is very price driven. It is unlikely that such a premium product will be restarted whilst the market is in poor shape and Hornby are fighting to get back into the Black.  For now live steam is a dead technology, one day again maybe who knows.

 

Prices for secondhand models are going crazy on the likes of Ebay as time goes on, people profiteering on the models is commonplace.  It will only harm the market for these models in the long term, some will remember "Wrenn mania" when anything in any condition with Wrenn on went beserk pricewise, prices for Wrenn sky rocketted, then came the crash in prices and people were desperate to offload and prices have fallen outside of the online auction sites to an all time low.  Wrenn models simply got overpriced by investors and became a niche market model affordable by only those with a lot of spare cash, this wasn't substainable in the long term and the crash happended in the prices.  The same will happen with live steam in time. For now greed rules in prices for secondhand Hornby live steam.

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