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SGWR Coach types

Mick38

9 posts

Looking at the various GWR passenger stock, I came across the abbreviations BSK,CK,SK. etc. Could someone please explain them? Probably obvious but I cant work it out!

GeoFF03

365 posts

The above abbreviations refer to Brake, second, Corridor:  Composite Corridor (duel class) and Second Corridor.  These should realy apply to BR era coaches, most Big4 companies only ran First and Third Class.  Second Class was limited to the Southern operated boat trains where passengers were to make connections withe continental trains.

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LC&DR

8474 posts

The codes are quite complex and not always logical however the following is a simplified description of the more common ones

 

Gangwayed stock

 

B = coach includes a guards brake van (also means buffet when applied to a cateting vehicle)

R = catering vehicle

SL = sleeping car

S = second class , F = first class, C = composite (both) classes, T = third class, U = unclassed (applies to some catering vehicles)

K = side corridor (also means Kitchen when applied to catering vehicles)

O = open saloon

 

(examples - BSK brake second corridor, TK third corridor, CK composite corridor, BFK brake first corridor, BSO brake second open saloon, RK kitchen car, RB buffet car, RU  resturant car with loose seating (available for either class.), SLSTP sleeper second class with pantry two bunks per compartment)

 

Non-corridor carriage codes

 

examples

BS = brake second

CL = composite with lavatory

SO = second class open saloon

 

Vans

 

examples

BG gangwayed parcels van with guards brake

GUV = general utility van

CCT = covered carriage truck

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81F

3129 posts

 I would be a little bit wary of anything GWR labeled with the above abbreviations. A quick Google image search of GWR BSK and GWR CK returns a lot of LIMA M1s in GWR livery and could theoretically do the same for the old Hornby Triang Mk 1s.

 

In the 1970s both Hornby and Lima (then independant) offered these BR Mk1s in un authentic GWR and LMS liveries while Hornby made a Southern RAILWAY version rather than region! So if you are keen to get Authentic GWR liveried coaches beware of MK1s. Having said that I have seen some of the authentic British Railways Choc and Cream liveried Mk1s (from the 1950s) being described as "GWR" on eBay by inexperienced  sellers.

Modelling the GWR in the Welsh Borders, and the Glyn Valley Tramway with quite a few bits from elsewhere!

LC&DR

8474 posts

 Unfortunately manufacturers have played fast and loose with historical accuracy for many many years. Using Mark 1 body shells in pre-Nationalisation liveries was very common  in the 1970s and lots of carriages from that period still turn up second hand. Lima was a prime culprit.

Then there was Triang's panelled  'Caledonian' carriages made to accompany Caledonian single 123 which also appeared in fake GWR and SR liveries, and were a bit of a bodge anyway being overlong carriage sides fixed to existing Mark 1 undeframes. They did something similar to create something that looked like LNER Thompson carriages.

A slightly better attempt followed. Hornby made some rather simplified 'Collett' coaches using modular parts. These later appeared as SR carriages with a slightly different roof incorporating a lavatory water tank and in Maunsell and later Bulleid livery, and by adding different sides, roofs and bogies were able to use the underframes to make close representations of Gresley and Stanier carriages for the LNER and LMSR. These still are used  in the RailRoad and TTTE ranges.

 

In more recent days Hornby has however produced some excellent and accurate carriages albeit in limited editions.

The LNER Gresley corridor stock appeared first, followed by some Stanier period 3 coaches and then followed by some Maunsell carriages in both high and low window variants. A push pull variant was added later. A real and pleasant surprise. And very good they are too. Great Western fans were left behind rather a bit until the Hawksworth carriages appeared, but in truth these are much more associated with the post Nationalisation period, and therefore were not a lot of good if you interests were pre-1939. Fortunately better councils prevailed and a rather nice set of proper Collett corridor carriages have since been introduced.

 

Non-corridor stock was always the poor relation. For a while only the former Airfix 'B' set and the Push-pull trailer were available. (Prior to that the Triang non-corridors were 'generic' and there was the short clerestory pair which were made to go with 'Lord of the Isles', of course, which eventually appeared in a host of fake liveries including Midland and LNER). Then Hornby produced both the Gresley and Thompson versions of the LNER short non-corridor carriages, and very nice these were too.  LMS Stanier non-corridor models were added and quite recently the SR 58' Maunsell LSWR rebuilds have been added to stock. Brilliant! However once again the GWR is back of the queue, and the 'B' set which arguably is long overdue updating no longer appears in the catalogue.

 

So things have improved over time but I am sure there is still plenty of room for further improvement especially for GWR enthusiasts.

 

Green trains are best!

81F

3129 posts

 To follow on from what LC&DR said Airfix also made GWR Centeries a brake third and a composite. I have two five car sets and a couple of spares to make up some mixed formations.

 

However, there were not many Centeneries built and most had different class accomoidation so this probably means that I have more of either the brake thirds or composites than the GWR actually had!

Modelling the GWR in the Welsh Borders, and the Glyn Valley Tramway with quite a few bits from elsewhere!

Mick38

9 posts

Well thank you, all, for so much information. My next task, clearly, is to identify exactly which stock my models represent. Having the luxury of sufficient space, I am able to run trains of up to 13 carriages; the corridor stock is a mixture of Hornby and Bachman. No doubt there are knowledgeable types who could point out the inaccuracies of my rakes, but to me at least, they ‘look right’ which is all I ask.

81F

3129 posts

 If you look at some photographs of summer saturday trains you will find the GWR used to mix up coaches quite a lot. The easies mix to acheive is by using shirt buttoned livery coaches. The Railroad Collett 57' go well with the long shirtbuttoned liveried clerestories. what I particularly like is that these coacyhes are opposite hands so you can marshal the first classes together, put one of each break on each end and have the corridore running down the same side throughout the train

Modelling the GWR in the Welsh Borders, and the Glyn Valley Tramway with quite a few bits from elsewhere!

Mick38

9 posts

So much information - thanks everyone. My main line trains are composed of all Bachmann collett 60ft coaches. Now I am looking to set up a rake of the GWR toplights. These Graham Farish "suburban " coaches look the part - anyone care to comment? Maybe a paint touch-up to the actual toplights would improve them?

 

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Mick38

9 posts

Where will I find your image uploaders please?

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