rayarpino Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Watched the first episode of the new Ripper street series last night. Interesting mixture of locos and rolling stock around London, but that I can understand, for at least the steam engines were real even if they did not correspond to the depicted period and they had to make do with what was available.But the large, nicely detailed 00 layout could not have existed. 00 did not exist during that jolly Victorian era. Don't they have researchers who are supposed to get things right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It is a fictional drama. Great programme. I dare say the horse and cart were wrong, some of the clothes, the guns, you name it. 99.9% of those who watched it wouldn't know the difference and like me probably enjoyed every second. Roll on the next episode. Hope im not going to spoil things for some people but Dr. Who is fiction as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37lover Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Ray,I sympathise with you but it probably boils down to the budget available and production licence to 'bend the rules'. WTD makes a valid point that most people watching would not know the difference; it is light entertainment and I don't believe it is intended to be historically/factually correct. Hope you enjoy the rest of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Quite an interesting mix of locos as well. I thought the way they depicted the railway was incredible. It's strange how people get fictional dramas mixed up with documentaries. Now if David Attenborough was filmed stalking a polar bear in the Antarctic that would be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 if you want to have a heart attack, watch superman returns, about half hour into the film it shows a layout in lex luthers lair, then later on in the film it gets destroyed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Why the heart attack. Maybe he wanted it destroyed so he could go digital. Does seeing a layout destroyed really cause you so much pain. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayarpino Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 WTD,It may surprize you but just for your information I do happen to know that Ripper street is pure fiction and that most people wouldn't notice. I haven't missed a single instalment and have always thoroughly enjoyed the series, though I feel the gory details don't add anything and are probably offensive for a lot of viewers. And I still see no point in introducing an element that is blatantly anachronical. Well, back to the small anachronical Wrenn/HD layout I am building with tight curves and simple naive scenery.I wish you more pleasant viewing and a pleasant week-end. PS: if you love fiction don't miss the political programmes, they are unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Rayarpino, I never watch political programmes, I'd rather watch Eastenders and that's saying something. I can't believe the BBC dropped the programme. They must be daft. Next week they get involved in a collision between two Routemaster buses outside a Computer shop in the high street. As as we were watching it I said to SWMBO that letters will be pouring in to the BBC with regard to the locos. I bet they'll be glad they stopped making it. The fiction/documentary remark wasn't aimed at you, it was just a general statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Why the heart attack. Maybe he wanted it destroyed so he could go digital. Does seeing a layout destroyed really cause you so much pain. Lol. not me personally, but i would imagine it would make some people shed a tear, months of work for it to be destroyed in a film sequence in a matter of minutes, but that's hollywood lol, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Ah but it might not have been months of work. Could have been done with camera trickery and the layout could well be in the directors spare bedroom. What about Allan on the other forum who makes all those stunning buildings. He made the castle that was destroyed by a laser in one of the Pink Panther films. Bet it still exists somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Why spoil a good story..........? Nowadays it is incredible what film makers can do to entertain us, and the realism that is possible with a combination of modelling and CGI (computer generated images). I have been a 'fan' of Peter Jackson's epic Lord of the Rings / Hobbit films. With the DVDs come additional discs explaining some of the techniques he used to create the illusions we see on the screen. There is a computer programme that can create an image army of thousands of persons (or creatures) which appear to act as individuals in a simulated battle scene. Watching this on a screen creates such a realistic illusion that it is impossible to comprehend that there are no real; actors visible at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I understand the bus collision is due to the driver of one being on his mobile phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2e0dtoeric Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Was Reg Varney driving it? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Yes the title is Butlers Revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2e0dtoeric Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Watch out for Blakey, then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It's strange how people get fictional dramas mixed up with documentaries. Now if David Attenborough was filmed stalking a polar bear in the Antarctic that would be wrong. At least we could then perhaps discover whether polar bears would really be interested in eating penguins, couldn't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 They would eat them but they can't get the wrappers off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I wonder if the penguins have wrappers because of the cold down there, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblinwheel Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I've found a "Ripper Street" on Netflix. Is it the same show we're talkin' about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yes I should think it is WW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slornie Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Speaking of Ripper Street, the NRM Facebook shared a video showing how the train crash was filmed/created. Seems to be lots of visual effects! Here's the video: https://vimeo.com/116761565 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblinwheel Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 In what time frame does "Ripper Street" exist? Would they have had the remote-switching capabilities shown back then? I would've thought it would be manual "at-the-switch" operation back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morairamike Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Come on it's entertainment TV. Remember that 95% of viewers have no idea how a railway runs, when it was invented or what signals do. All TV progs have errors, one showed a Blackburn Beverly at a museum and the narrator said it was a WW2 plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 In what time frame does "Ripper Street" exist? Would they have had the remote-switching capabilities shown back then? I would've thought it would be manual "at-the-switch" operation back then?Assuming the TV show is based on a mid to late Victorian period (Dickensian and dark!) the signals and points will have probably been worked from a signal box by a signalman (Dickens wrote a ghost story called "The Signalman"), but not all.A whole string of disasters in the 1870s led to a law being passed in Britain requiring all points to be interlocked with signals to prevent conflicting routes being set, a telegraph block system to be provided between successive signal boxes to prohibit two trains (or more) between them at any one time, all facing points to be bolted in the correct position before a passenger train travelled over them, and all passenger trains to be fitted with continuous brakes which automatically applied if the train accidentally became divided. It all came to a head in 1889 when a loaded excursion train ran away back down hill near Armagh in Northern Ireland, and was struck in the rear by a following train with huge loss of life. The law was passed in that year, and all railway companies had to comply and submit returns to the Board of Trade to show their progress. Most railways in England were already installing this stuff well before 1875, but not all, and in Scotland and Northern Ireland progress was slower than in England and Wales. The London Chatham and Dover Railway (who else!) decided to install the almost idiot proof* Sykes Lock and Block system in 1878 only 4 years after it was invented. It was still safely in use on parts of the former LC&DR 100 years later. *Unfortunately the Southern Railway later supplied signalmen with keys to 'beat the system'!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblinwheel Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 You're missing my point. Not really interested in the accuracy of a TV show, just asking whether or not the "remote switching" technology actually existed at that time. I guess we're talking "Victorian era"? Was that late 1800's to early 1900's? Just curious as to when "switch boxes?" became common in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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