521_gramps Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 hi , im fairly new to railway modeling and layouts but i have got my layout to the stage where i want to motorise my various points . I have purchased several hornby point motors , (my system is analogue by the way) . i have wired up my 1st point as per the instructions ( under the baseboard ) connected up to the R044 switch and in turn connected that up to my controller terminals. When i throw the switch the point motor correctly fires up and throws the point one direction -great --- but wont fire the point back to its original position when i try to throw it again . Ive disconected the actual point in order to check the motor ( rod) movement when i operate the switch - it snaps across one way great - but - doesnt return when i try the switch again ?? . Can anyone tell me what im doing wrong please cos i cant understand it - regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoFF03 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Sounds like one of the solenoid coils is faulty. On the few occasions I've had a motor fail in use, they have only thrown one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazy Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 change the red and green wires over at the point motor end and try again. If the point fails in the same direction as it does now its the point motor at fault. If it fails the the other way round its your wireing at fault. Try this with the point out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Do you have red and green to each side of the switch and black to common? If you have accidentally put black to one side and green or red to common, you'll get exactly the symptoms you are reporting, I think more likely than one coil being faulty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81F Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I would also try the motor without the switch. connect the black to one terminal od the 16V output from the controller and connect a spare piece of wire to the other then quickly touch the red or the green with spare wire the if this works the problem is obviously the switch. PS I don't think much of Hornby's switches and have either used someone elses or a simple probe and stud system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
521_gramps Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 firstly thanks to all you guys who have responded to my problem - its much appreciated .im going follow through each option to find a solution and report back over the next couple of days . I have tried another new point motor as a replacement and that did the same thing as ive already described ( surely two new ones cant be faulty in the same way ) so im going to look again at the wiring ( all of this without the hinderance of the actual point ) . I hope i can eventually sort this out because i do like "model railway " and more so the satisfaction of creating the "layout" itself , its just frustrating when things dont quite work out even when you follow the plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
521_gramps Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 just a note to those members that gave me advice re getting sorted wiring up my point motors - i followed the advice of by-passing the hornby R044 switch in order to check the motor function and -- to my delight the motor worked fine in each direction throwing the rod correctly right or left ----------------- so that would suggest the switch is the problem so im going to try another switch since i have bought fourteen of them ! ( wish i hadnt now ) anyway thanks again for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Gramps,Make sure you wire up your R044 switch like this../media/tinymce_upload/e3e765cee35ed24defc5ca42d22b2be9.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Gramps,Have just posted a 'for your clarity' wiring up drawing. It will appear directly above this post when moderated by Admin. Probably be sometime tomorrow now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Gramps, while waiting for Chris's picture, I'd be triple checking the switch wiring. It's far more likely the wiring is the issue than all of your switches are faulty. In fact, if they don't work the way you have them wired, or only work one way, just swap the 2 wires going to the throw direction that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
521_gramps Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 thanks Chris and Fishmanoz for the help -- i have now successfully wired up two points and switches . All my kit used so far was in good working order i just wasnt making contact with one of my "prongs " into the back of the first R 044 switch i was using . By carrying out a quick working test before installing - ( as suggested in an earlier message ) i could check that all is functioning as it should - then istall it on the layout ---- anyway im now into my third point wire up , and begining to feel more confident with the gear thanks . --- a new question though--- how do i connect up two points to operate at the same time ( one throwing to the right and one throwing to the left ( to allow a train to pass from one loop to another ) regards Gramps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Gramps,Easy, just wire the two point motors in parallel. Green to Green, Black to Black and Red to Red. If one of the two points throws the wrong way, just reverse the Green and Red wire for that particular point ONLY. Since the Hornby supplied wiring only allows a single wire to push into the receptacle on the R044 switch. You will need to join the wires together in the wire run leading up to the switch. Depending upon your wiring skill level, this could be a soldered joint with heat shrink sleeving, but if not feeling confident about soldering or just for simplicity you could use a 5 amp nylon wiring terminal strip with screw down terminations..I assume that you are using some form of similar wiring concentration point to join together all the Black wires so only one wire connects to your controller aux output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 All is explained on this website. :-)http://www.freewebs.com/platelayer/tipsandwiringdiagrams.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
521_gramps Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Gramps,Easy, just wire the two point motors in parallel. Green to Green, Black to Black and Red to Red. If one of the two points throws the wrong way, just reverse the Green and Red wire for that particular point ONLY. Since the Hornby supplied wiring only allows a single wire to push into the receptacle on the R044 switch. You will need to join the wires together in the wire run leading up to the switch. Depending upon your wiring skill level, this could be a soldered joint with heat shrink sleeving, but if not feeling confident about soldering or just for simplicity you could use a 5 amp nylon wiring terminal strip with screw down terminations..I assume that you are using some form of similar wiring concentration point to join together all the Black wires so only one wire connects to your controller aux output. thanks for that, much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
521_gramps Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 thanks for that Chrissaf and poliss --- much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Also of interest is the Hornby colour light signal which uses the same wiring convention with Black being the common wire. This wiring system was in use in Tri-ang days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg11 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I have a similar problem (also very new to railway modelling) I am using Peco 26Y Passing contact switch and Hornby Point Motor R8014. The Hornby Fig2b diagram refers to Red, Green and Brown contacts on the Hornby Lever Switch. Can any one advise which contacts these would be on the Peco switch please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog RJ Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I think the connection which is slightly offset from the two others is the common and corresponds to the black wire of Hornby point motors and the green wire of Peco surface mount point motors. The other two wires, red and green in the case of Hornby motors, connect to the remaining two terminals. Which wire goes where isn't critical but if the point operates in the opposite way to what you expect, then reverse these wire connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 The image below shows the connectivity for the PL26. It is taken from the following web page if you want to read the full article (scroll down on the page to find the image below). Note the yellow highlight about the change in wire colours between Hornby and PECO point motors:.http://www.brian-lambert.co.uk/Electrical.html#Motor./media/tinymce_upload/385704b331b2e770a9e1d168c8aec2d7.jpg.Basically, my post 100% confirms what Rog above says but with the clarity provided by a drawing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwitrains Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Gramps,Make sure you wire up your R044 switch like this../media/tinymce_upload/e3e765cee35ed24defc5ca42d22b2be9.jpgIf you switched the point motor for a Peco PL11 what would the wiring be then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Exactly the same except the PECO green and black wires would be reversed compared to drawing above. PECO use the green wire for the Hornby black common return function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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