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Faulty Handcontroller?

  • Mikef (4 posts) , 849 days ago 14:30 26 December 2011

    I have a Blue Highlander layout (plus extention pack A) and everything was working fine. I have just been given the Flying Scotsman locomotive (non DCC) for Christmas. Initally the locomotive worked but then stopped. The red light on the controller went out. I have power to the controller, but no red indicator light on the controller itself. The first two times this happened, and unplugging and re powering the controller, everything would work OK for a couuple of circuits then the locomotive would stop again. Would this suggest a problem with the hand controller? Also, is the locomotive drawing too much current through the controller and the controller protecting itself and shutting down? Finally, if the hand controller can not handle the current the new locomotive needs, what other hand controller options are there for me?

  • poliss (4617 posts) , 849 days ago 17:20 26 December 2011

    Same reply that I gave Fondon. Unplug the power at the socket, wait a few minutes and try again. If you are using the standard train set controller it might need upgrading to the HM2000.

    Get off the line Bobby.

  • Mikef (4 posts) , 849 days ago 20:55 26 December 2011

    Thanks for the advice Poliss, but further investigation seems to suggest that there is a short circuit between the locomotive and the tender. Running the tender on its own seems fine, but when i connect the tender i get a small spark where the tender joins the locomotive. Is this a common problem & how easilly is it fixed? Also coming back to the hand controller, following this short circuit, i assume thatthere is a safety devise within the controller as this no longer works! How long does it take for the controller to re-set itself?

  • wps75 (1 posts) , 848 days ago 22:00 26 December 2011

    Hi Mikef, yes i've had this same problem with the flying scotsman set i have bought for my son this christmas (but have not noticed the spark where tender joins locomotive). PLease post if you receive anymore information on how to resolve.

  • Mikef (4 posts) , 848 days ago 22:34 26 December 2011

    Hi wps75. As we have both had this problem, no doubt someone else has as well, and hopefuly they have sorted it out. Having thought about it, (and i may well be wrong), i think the short circuit is occuring at the point the tender connects to the Loco. My feeling is that there are two possible causes, 1) its the two thin contacts on top of the coupler and these are somehow making contact with the vertical pin(pivot)that joins the tender to the loco. 2) the other posibility is that the spring on the underside of the coupler is making contact with the two contacts that touch the pivot pin. (on my model, i'm not sure where the spring sgould be attached too)but the inboard end of the spring appears blackned, as if it has been heated up.

    As i said, these are my thoughts and i will now see what tomorrow brings. Hopefully a solution.


  • The son of Triangman (3326 posts) , 848 days ago 06:55 27 December 2011

    Had a similar problem Mikef with a batch of City Industrial sets, the controllers wouldn't power up properly, also the direction switch would work one way but not the other, seems to be a common fault, Hornby and QC need to look at this problem.

    I would advise contacting the shop and taking it back for a replacement or contacting Hornby support who are most helpful.

    Tri-ang Rocks!

  • The son of Triangman (3326 posts) , 848 days ago 06:58 27 December 2011

    In your case it could be you have a short with your Scotsman, if it's under warranty I would take it back to the shop or contact Hornby support rather than self fixing as this can invalidate the warranty.

    Tri-ang Rocks!

  • Mikef (4 posts) , 848 days ago 14:02 27 December 2011

    Hi there, Son of Triangman, thank you for the advice, but i gather my gift wasn't from a shop so the warranty issue doesn't come into it. Anyway, i think that I have sorted out my problem. As per my previous posting, I was getting a spark between the tender and the Locomotive indicating a short circuit. Now, the spring on the underneath of the coupler seemed burnt indicataing a current had been passed throught it and thus causing the short. My solution has been to 'line' the contact on the underneath side of the coupler with electrical tape, and so insulating the spring from the contact. With this in place, the loco has been around the track a number of times with no problem. Everything, It seems, is now running fine.

    I hope this helps other people with the same problem.


  • DaveMcC (1 posts) , 848 days ago 18:11 27 December 2011

    Have the exact same problem with my Flying scotsman(ie works fine without the tender, and shorts when tender is connected). I'm a complete novice so don't want to do something that may completely wreck the train. Is this a regular problem with Hornby trains, or is it just the Flying Scotsman? or Is a manufacturing issue?


  • Anuran (2 posts) , 833 days ago 19:16 11 January 2012

    My problem too and it started on the 3rd lap after unpacking the set. The loco works fine without the tender but with tender attached it stalls and short circuits going into the bend. It is a problem with the upper contact wires on the loco touching the pin of the tender. Applying insulating tape to the top half of the pin reduced the frequency of stalling to once every 2-3 laps. This seems to be a design fault and Hornby's testing dept must be sleeping on the job.I now have the hassle of repacking and sending back to Amazon for a replacement- though I suspect it too will have the same issue.

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